Is It Worth To Attend Torture Garden London

Is visting a torture garden better than hanging out at Chinawhites?

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stoatie Posts: 78,128
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GIVE ME THOSE SMOKES NOW!!!

(perhaps we need some sort of safeword for this thread...)

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You see, this is where you lose all credibility. You don't know. You're just going on a load of urban myths and garnishing them with your own agenda.

The widespread use of coke isn't an urban myth, it's a fact. Pete and his friends are obviously into drugs, why would they object to coke?

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Actually I thought at least a couple of people would agree with me but apparently not. :eek:

I just can't believe that so many people don't have any qualms (even tiny ones) about sadists who get off on hurting and humiliating people.

All in the name of being sexually tolerant. It really is the most outrageous B.S. :rolleyes:

If we didn't get off on being hurt and humiliated we're have stopped watching BB after the way Endermol have treated us. :cool:

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Once again, you seem to have ignored the real anecdotal evidence from a woman (me) on the subject.... I take particular offence to you suggesting that my boyfriend is a "sick sick bastard" but I realise now that arguing with you is like banging my head repeatedly against a brick wall..

Unfortunately, that's not the kind of "sadism" I'm into though...

LOL! Yup, it does appear to be a futile and needless expenditure of energy. It's just deteriorating into name calling. Any argument is lost when that happens aka the Mikey Approach

I've enjoyed your contributions on here BTW - good on you

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GIVE ME THOSE SMOKES NOW!!!

(perhaps we need some sort of safeword for this thread...)

I think if it's bothering you you should just stop reading and posting.

BUT ITS SO MUCH MORE FUN BEING DRAMATIC ISN'T IT?

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All in the name of being sexually tolerant. It really is the most outrageous B.S. :rolleyes:

The most outrageous BS on here at the moment, is YOUR refusal to acknowledge any posts actually backing up their stance with facts/anecdotal evidence....

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Actually I thought at least a couple of people would agree with me but apparently not. :eek:

I just can't believe that so many people don't have any qualms (even tiny ones) about sadists who get off on hurting and humiliating people.

All in the name of being sexually tolerant. It really is the most outrageous B.S. :rolleyes:

I agree with you Dictamus.

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The widespread use of coke isn't an urban myth, it's a fact. Pete and his friends are obviously into drugs, why would they object to coke?

I'm guessing they probably wouldn't, but if they do then here's a reason- I'm not above the recreational indulgence in pharmaceuticals, but I try to give coke a wide berth. It's quite possibly the least ethical thing you could ingest. (Which, on a whole 'nother tangent, is why I find cokeheads who are obsessed with buying Fair Trade produce quite amusing...)

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The widespread use of coke isn't an urban myth, it's a fact. Pete and his friends are obviously into drugs, why would they object to coke?

I don't know if they would, but I think they're more likely to take ketamine (well, we know that), E, and poppers. Coke makes you more selfish and less empathetic, which isn't what you want in that situation.

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I think if it's bothering you you should just stop reading and posting.

BUT ITS SO MUCH MORE FUN BEING DRAMATIC ISN'T IT?

See, the other thing I like about fetish clubs is that their members generally have a sense of humour...

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The widespread use of coke isn't an urban myth, it's a fact. Pete and his friends are obviously into drugs, why would they object to coke?

You're shifting the goalposts, though. You originally said that a torture club patron is worse, presumably morally, than someone who funds the cocaine trade.

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I'm guessing they probably wouldn't, but if they do then here's a reason- I'm not above the recreational indulgence in pharmaceuticals, but I try to give coke a wide berth. It's quite possibly the least ethical thing you could ingest. (Which, on a whole 'nother tangent, is why I find cokeheads who are obsessed with buying Fair Trade produce quite amusing...)

Heh, something we agree on.

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Deliberately inflicting physical pain on another human being for your own enjoyment is a vile thing to do. I don't care if it's legal, lots of things that people shouldn't do to one another are legal.

Trying telling that to the government when they drop their bombs on innocent children. If something is between consenting adults it's nobody's business but theirs.

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Judging by the number of pages on this thread, Dictamus knows that if you want to pull in the punters, nothing succeeds as well as SEX and VIOLENCE.

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You're shifting the goalposts, though. You originally said that a torture club patron is worse, presumably morally, than someone who funds the cocaine trade.

I'm not. Unless you can prove that the people who go to the Torture Garden never take coke which I imagine is highly doubtful given their druggie proclivities, then I consider them equal on that score.

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Yes. Actors aren't actually having sex, people "reenacting" a rape are. There is something incredibly disturbing, given the rate of rape and sexual abuse of women and children in our society committed by men, about a man actually getting turned on pretending to rape a woman. He'd have to be a sick, sick bastard.

You are saying though that the problem is the association, i.e. how he perceives it in his mind. I have a number of problems with this attitude:

1) He isn't harming anyone. If he was it would be rape. It's analogous to someone playing pain ball or army live fire exercises.

2) Saying such a man is sick is condemning by association. Real rapists are criminal because they cause harm.

3) It seems like there might be an assumption that the desire to engage in play rape is a precursor to wanting to be a real rapist. Why should such a thing be any more true than the idea that a woman has rape fantasies really wants to be raped?

- Chris

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See, the other thing I like about fetish clubs is that their members generally have a sense of humour...

That dent in your desk getting any bigger?

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Although, much as I disagree with the OP on many points, there are drugs at fetish clubs. Personally I don't have a problem with that either (apart from the ridiculously unethical nature of the cocaine trade)- but for balance, I thought I'd chuck that in there.

Yes, you're right - but the thing that gets to me most about the OP's approach is that it's all based on guesswork and not first-hand experience. I used the analogy of the person who protests outside the cinema when they haven't actually seen the film earlier in the thread. But, alas, the OP chose to ignore that too.

In London, there are drugs down the local pub, clubs, fetish, straight or otherwise. The original question seemed to suggest cocaine in the toliets was better than consensual BDSM play. That's what I find weird.

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I'm not. Unless you can prove that the people who go to the Torture Garden never take coke which I imagine is highly doubtful given their druggie proclivities, then I consider them equal on that score.

*blinks* Sorry - unless we can prove that nobody who ever goes to TG has ever taken coke, then TG must be *just as bad* drug-wise as one of the most notorious clubs for drugs in the UK?

Incidentally, I don't think most people's major problem with Chinawhite's is the drugs - it's the people.

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Kata06 Posts: 2,447
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You are saying though that the problem is the association, i.e. how he perceives it in his mind. I have a number of problems with this attitude:

1) He isn't harming anyone. If he was it would be rape. It's analogous to someone playing pain ball or army live fire exercises.

2) Saying such a man is sick is condemning by association. Real rapists are criminal because they cause harm.

3) It seems like there might be an assumption that the desire to engage in play rape is a precursor to wanting to be a real rapist. Why should such a thing be any more true than the idea that a woman has rape fantasies really wants to be raped?

- Chris

Do women have rape fantasies?

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The widespread use of coke isn't an urban myth, it's a fact. Pete and his friends are obviously into drugs, why would they object to coke?

That wasn't my point. My point has always been to highlight that you started a thread when you haven't been to either club - you guess when you don't have first-hand experience of the people who go to either. I don't think that's right.

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Gawd live and let live what people get up to in there private/sex life does not maketh the person or are any judge of their personality/qualities or worth as a human being!

This country is still in the dark ages when it comes to acceptance!

Unless what anyone is doing is directly affecting you what does it matter!!

Nothing is the norm, we cannot decide what is!

We have to accept that as human beings we have no right to judge as someone that is so different from ourselves and extreme to us, so are we to them !!

live and let live, each to their own

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You are saying though that the problem is the association, i.e. how he perceives it in his mind. I have a number of problems with this attitude:

1) He isn't harming anyone. If he was it would be rape. It's analogous to someone playing pain ball or army live fire exercises.

2) Saying such a man is sick is condemning by association. Real rapists are criminal because they cause harm.

3) It seems like there might be an assumption that the desire to engage in play rape is a precursor to wanting to be a real rapist. Why should such a thing be any more true than the idea that a woman has rape fantasies really wants to be raped?

- Chris

Yep yep yep.. All good points..

But I imagine yours will be ignored, just as mine was too..

This thread is making me hungry, any chance of pausing it while I go get some food??

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Do women have rape fantasies?

Read back a few pages - Both me and ikklesou have posted on the subject

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You are saying though that the problem is the association, i.e. how he perceives it in his mind. I have a number of problems with this attitude:

1) He isn't harming anyone. If he was it would be rape. It's analogous to someone playing pain ball or army live fire exercises.

2) Saying such a man is sick is condemning by association. Real rapists are criminal because they cause harm.

3) It seems like there might be an assumption that the desire to engage in play rape is a precursor to wanting to be a real rapist. Why should such a thing be any more true than the idea that a woman has rape fantasies really wants to be raped?

- Chris

Because it's not possible to imagine being raped, the mere fact of wanting it makes it not rape, however it's possible to fantasise about rape and then go ahead and do it.

The first thing people who treat sex offenders do, is to target their fantasies. The fantasy is almost always a precursor to the action.

Men, when normal social rules break down, often become rapists, look at what is happening in the Congo just now, or what happened in Bosnia Herzogovina or the two million women raped by Russian soldiers after the war.

Rape is a very common crime. Men fantasising about it is very disturbing. Men who do that are sick, sick bastards.

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